[lpm67]

Originally Posted by cowgirlup

OK! Who's been feeding RR and causing the ruination of the planet!!!!
Whoever you are you are in BIG trouble!!!

Ahhhh so RR is the one who's been stealing my Chilli Con Carne, and there I was blaming my hubby.
You've sure got long arms RR reaching all the way here.

By the way....our politicians have been pushing for FART tax on cows. I wonder how they plan to measure that...lol.

[Celticwarrior]

Originally Posted by lpm67

Ahhhh so RR is the one who's been stealing my Chilli Con Carne, and there I was blaming my hubby.
You've sure got long arms RR reaching all the way here.

By the way....our politicians have been pushing for FART tax on cows. I wonder how they plan to measure that...lol.

Well, when someone lives with their heads up their own behinds like most politicians, I am sure they figured it would just be self-regulating. LOL

[Ron Fontaine]

Something does seem to be happening to the weather.

Consider how eggshell thin the earths atmosphere really is. A mile or two of habitable elevation where there is enough oxygen to breathe. What's that? About the length of 5 or ten city blocks?

At ground level the atmosphere appears to be huge and practically inexhaustible. But it is not.

Have cars and industry pump millions of tons of carbon dioxide and other gases into this thin layer of atmosphere. At the same time cut the worlds rain forests.

It would be astonishing if nothing happend due to these activities.

[crazydave]

there were ice ages, mini ice ages and it was warmer back a few hundred years but the make up of the air and the oceans were drastically different. it was warmer but importantly the seas were 20ft lower than they are now and you could sail around the top of russia, greenland and canada.

I'd heard the debates on cosmic rays and sun spots etc.. but apparently we have had fewer sun spots recently that we have ever had since they started recording them a few hundred years ago and the boffins are supposedly worried, partly because it means we are subject to increased cosmic radiation.

the two biggest enviromental issues are the seas are unable to process any more atmosperic co2 and the permafrost is melting and sending up way too much methane. apparently it would be better to burn it off if it was possible to catch it.

[hunter480]

I still say it`s all about politics, since we just don`t have enough data on the heating and clloing cycles of the Earth to make sound judgement on this.

Do we, have we put more "stuff" into the atmosphere that natural phenomon, such as volcanos and lightning set fires?

I actually feel we`re being a bit arrogant to believe we are so capable of changing the Earth, much like we`d be if we thought we could alter the outcome of what God intends.

[TaintRight]

I collect Indian artifacts. I once visited the Smithsonian and had them date three camps I had excavated. To give me an idea of how these people lived, I was referred by the staff there to an excellent set of books on SE Indians. In one of the books the author detailed the climate change from 10,000 BC through the late 1700's. They discussed the evolution of the trees, animals, coast line and etc. as the climate changed. All the changes are reflected in the tool kit of the Indians.

Summer time temperatures in Central Ga were 5 degrees warmer 6,000 years ago than today. And there wasn't a coal fired power plant or SUV within miles of here.

I reckon "climate change" amounts to at best a new age religion and at worst a political con game. The reality is man couldn't effect long term changes to the climate if he tried. You sure as hell aren't going to reverse low sunspot activity by driving a hybrid.

[Ron Fontaine]

Originally Posted by hunter480

I actually feel we`re being a bit arrogant to believe we are so capable of changing the Earth, much like we`d be if we thought we could alter the outcome of what God intends.

Dust Bowl

'nough said.

[crazydave]

cant see what god has to do with it except to ask why she hasnt started afresh again but maybe she cant find any true believers to build the ark. if anything she's gone elsewhere to try again.

the dust bowl is a good example along with the modern problems facing the colorado river and the aquifer underneath it. the sahara desert was made by the romans and carthagenians. syria, lebanon and israel were greener until the landscape was stripped during the crusades. cyprus, spain and malta have to import potable water. plenty of examples where we've messed it up. not to mention alien species across africa, the america, australia, hawaii etc..

traces of mans activity can be found everywhere on the planet, we've burnt holes in the atmospere, poisoned the seas and land so saying we have had no impact is almost as laughable as believing in the endtimes which doesnt even have any theological origins.

we are plague on the planet but are too self centered to admit it.

[TaintRight]

You can spew tons of nitrous oxide from hundreds of thousands of cars in the LA metro area. You can make the sky turn a very unattractive orange color. At its peak you almost have to chew the air before breathing it. Then a simple wind change occurs (Santa Annas) and clears it all away in less than an hour and a half. So much for man.

You can cut down thousands of acres of Brazilian rain forest. And if you don't keep the trees cut back, it all immediately begins to grow back. Today there are more trees in the US than there were when the English settled Jamestown. This after massive deforestation of the east coast in the early 1800's.

Then we bathed the Chernobyl area with enough radiation to kill a cockroach. Today its a vibrant wilderness ecosystem.

The earth repairs itself quickly. Instantly in geological terms.

But these are petty local issues. Man certainly cannot effect global weather. Nothing man has ever done has changed the climate. Even the peak of our scientific mischievousness pals in comparison to what nature can and does do routinely. There aren't enough atomic bombs in all the arsenals in the world to equal the energy released by the earthquake that set off the Southeast Asian tsunami a few years back. We can't even duplicate the destructive power of a modest hurricane. In the other direction, we cannot even begin to duplicate the cooling effect of a Maunder Minimum. And when the ice begins to increase again on the poles (due to natural cycles that have been in effect for eons) , there will be nothing we can do to stop it. Don't believe me? Hold a seance and ask Eric the Red what happened to his deal in Greenland.

We are arrogant to think otherwise. And people who would have you believe otherwise are after either your money or your vote or both.

[dukman]

Originally Posted by TaintRight

Today there are more trees in the US than there were when the English settled Jamestown. This after massive deforestation of the east coast in the early 1800's.

When you look back at all the pictures of the logging done in the early 1900s and see the giants they were taking out, I guess I can believe there were less threes as 10 of the trees of today can fit in the spot of one of those monsters... but those trees packed a lot bigger punch when it comes to the CO2 to O2 conversion than all the little ones that are currently growing.

Sure the rainforests will grow back if we let them... Mother Nature is always trying to balance out the environment. We just won't let her.