[Democracyman]

Saw this on another forum.

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Unidentified flue outbreak in Western Ukraine. Photo

Possible treatment could be a Nebulizer with collidial silver I am
going to looking into this treatment more later on, any with information
would be appreciated.

Dan

[Screaming Eagle]

I got a message from a guy that's a missionary over there. He confirms and even magnifies the problem but says not to trust Russian media. At the same time he says to 'trust' (yeah, right) our media reports of numbers. Whatever the source, it's bad...real bad.

[cowgirlup]

NHCraigT was telling me about that.

I hadn't checed into it but I'll have to keep up on it just in case.

Reminds me I need more colloidal silver. I use it a lot in winter to keep the sinus infections at bay.

[Celticwarrior]

Hmm, looks like someone has been playing with some naughty things that a non-government contractor shouldn't be touching. Extremely deadly versions of Avian flu mixed with H3N2 that are touching off a version of deep pneumonia. Sounds like a very bad version of a bioengineered weaponized flu to me. Avian flu hasn't lived up to it's hype even as much as the new swine flu is currently. It seems unlikely that a live virus vaccine would have a strain that is this toxic, unless when they mixed up the batches, they used one that was being bred FOR extreme toxicity by accident.

The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses. Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event. On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected. “It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.

The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.

People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted. Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences. While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people.
That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created. There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however.


Baxter: Product contained live bird flu virus | Canada | News | Toronto Sun


Baxter has made some SERIOUS screw ups in the past couple of years. This contaminated avian flu is just the latest. There was a shipment last year that was tainted Heparin, a blood thinner, that caused fatal hemmoraging in victims, and some malfunctioning dialysis machines in 2001. By the way, they are a current manufacturer and supplier for H1N1 Swine Flu vaccines....just in case you weren't nervous enough about their safety. Sadly, these idiots are listed as a Six Sigma Greenbelt industry supporter, which is a safety/manufacturing standards system that was designed to maintain strict guidelines on processes for government contractors like Boeing, IBM, Motorola, etc. as well as civilian companies like Kelloggs, Cadbury, etc. Pretty lame if that's the case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International

[crazydave]

well at least it wasnt an umbrella corp facility

serious stuff though, all these ex soviet states where its easy to bribe the powers into looking the otherway. there should be legislation to control that sort of thing.

[Celticwarrior]

Originally Posted by crazydave

well at least it wasnt an umbrella corp facility

serious stuff though, all these ex soviet states where its easy to bribe the powers into looking the otherway. there should be legislation to control that sort of thing.

Legislation from whom? Affecting whom? I am sure those countries HAVE such 'laws' but it doesn't mean much when the people enforcing them are being bribed with big fat Cayman Island accounts. Even if the international community could prove allegations like that (never happen! Who is footing the bill?) trying to enforce it when local authorities are corrupt is useless.

However, if we hear that they are changing Kiev to "Raccoon City", we'll know we have to start worrying.

[Democracyman]

Rhiza Labs FluTracker Forum • View topic - Ukraine


Looking serious.


I suggest a thread on possible home made treatments that will be effective,
the best chance is using this.

Nebulizers: Home and Portable Nebulizers for Asthma Treatment

or

Colloidal silver for Pneumonia treatment

Respiratory Support Stops Pneumonia and Bronchitis Fast

I suggest research and more important any personal experience to
be posted.

We need LOW cost remedies that easily can be done at home that
are effective and successful.

Dan

[garret]

its when they start calling avian flue 'Las Plagas' that you know you are in deep do do

[Democracyman]

Rhiza Labs FluTracker Forum • View topic - Ukraine

Posting a copy of the link just in case it gets lost.

November 1: Ukraine (UA): Situation update
source: non-english – Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has introduced a decision of the Council of National Security and Defense Council on October 30 “On urgent measures to ensure national security in an outbreak of pandemic influenza in Ukraine.”

As UNIAN reported in the main office of information policy of the Presidential Secretariat, the solution put in place the relevant presidential decree.

In the NSDC decision indicates that the epidemic situation has gained an extremely threatening and unpredictable in nature and poses a threat to national security of Ukraine, the epidemic began in Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv regions during the period 10-12 October. The services of the Ministry of Health delayed reaction to the obvious trends and threats have failed to take necessary preventive measures to reduce threats to life and health. Real assessment of the situation was given only 27-28 October, but the appropriate response measures were not adopted.

Given the lack of willingness of the central and local executive authorities, said the NSDC, to take concerted decisions and inadequate funding of relevant activities, we can predict the further complication of the epidemiological situation, if not taken immediate effective action.

Health Ministry and local executive authorities have demonstrated a lack of willingness to treat patients. At present there is no sufficient medicines and protective equipment, causing panic among residents of the victims of areas.

A/H1N1 Swine Flu (Influenza) Timeline | November 1: Afghanistan (AF): All schools closed ... confirmed/
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November 1: Ukraine (UA): 60 deaths confirmed
source: non-english – The Ministry of Health in the Ukraine reported that the death toll is now 60, as of 17:00.

A/H1N1 Swine Flu (Influenza) Timeline | November 1: Afghanistan (AF): All schools closed ... s-stopped/
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November 1: Ukraine (UA): Normal life has stopped
source: non-english – The raging virus has paralyzed life in Ukraine. People have stopped contact with family and friends. They talk with relatives and friends only by phone. All now are afraid to even catch an ordinary cold.

As more and more of their relatives at home sees signs of a deadly plague. Florczukowie complain that they can not get any drugs, because everything you purchased at a pharmacy. Therefore cure homemade ways: at the moment łykają vitamin C, drink hot milk with honey and garlic.

The latest figures are striking. In Ukraine 185 thousand already sick people. Not only Ukraine is faced with a sudden wave of cases of influenza. Belarus on acute respiratory infections and flu-sick 65 thousand people and nearly a thousand in the hospitals.

The worst is in the neighboring Polish Lviv. There is suffering more than 69 thousand people, including almost 26 thousand children! In Lviv, the streets are deserted. On the usually crowded square in front of the opera in the heart of the city there is no one.

There are no customers in bars, restaurants, shops. Even in a nearby symbol of democracy – McDonald’s, where the queues are usually huge. A few passers-by go quickly to their homes. Most of them have their faces covered with masks.


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Kyiv Post. Independence. Community. Trust - Nation - Defense ministry suspends recruitment of conscripts during flu epidemic
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Defense ministry suspends recruitment of conscripts during flu epidemic


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60 people have already died in Ukraine. Ministry of Health requests silence (updated at 11:19 am)
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60 people have already died in Ukraine. Ministry of Health requests silence
MIGnews.com.ua

According to the latest data of Ministry of Health, as of 05:00 p.m. on Sunday, October 1, the number of people who are ill with influenza and acute respiratory disease in Ukraine, have increased to 191,000 people, 83,000 out of them are children under 18 years.

More than 7,000 people have been hospitalized. Out of them 123 people are in intensive care department. As a result of the epidemic, 60 people died in the Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Volyn Regions. In the Volyn region, in particular,the first fatal case has been recorded. The greatest number of deaths is in the Lviv Region - 29 people.
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Ukraine Requests Closing Of Crossing Points On Romanian Border Over Flu Epidemic

Authorities in the Ukrainian region of Chernivtsi have requested several crossing points on the borders with Romania and the Republic of Moldova be closed, because of the risk of spread of the flu epidemic, according to news agency Omega.
"We have already petitioned the border guard service and requested the closing of crossing points on the border with the Republic of Moldova and Romania, in places where a medical examination cannot be performed," Chernivitsi Oblast governor Volodymyr Kulish said.
Moldova Border Guard Service spokesman Dumitru Osoianu said the crossing points between Moldova and Ukraine have not been closed, but are running normally. According to Osoianu, medical examinations are performed at every location.
According to the Ukrainian News Agency, Ukrainian authorities have confirmed 60 fatalities because of flu and breathing infections in the Oblasts of Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Volyn.
Most deaths occurred in the Lvov Oblast, where 29 people died.
http://www.mediafax.ro/english/ukraine- ... ic-5074176


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Death toll from the flu - 67 people
Newspaper in Kiev, 02.11.2009
The death toll from the flu epidemic in Ukraine has reached 67 people. This at a press conference, said deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets. In particular, 29 people died in the Lviv region, 14 - in Ternopil, 12 - Ivano-Frankivsk, 5 - Chernivtsi. First Deputy Minister added that all the deaths "are similar. According to preliminary information, its primary cause was influenza virus A (H1N1), but research is still ongoing.
In general, he said, in Ukraine 250 thousand people suffering from SARS and avian influenza, of which 15 thousand are hospitalized, 17 (people) - in intensive care.
http://www.rbc.ua/rus/digests/show/pogi ... ek02112009
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Alice wrote:
Death toll from the flu - 67 people
Newspaper in Kiev, 02.11.2009
The death toll from the flu epidemic in Ukraine has reached 67 people. This at a press conference, said deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets. In particular, 29 people died in the Lviv region, 14 - in Ternopil, 12 - Ivano-Frankivsk, 5 - Chernivtsi. First Deputy Minister added that all the deaths "are similar. According to preliminary information, its primary cause was influenza virus A (H1N1), but research is still ongoing.
In general, he said, in Ukraine 250 thousand people suffering from SARS and avian influenza, of which 15 thousand are hospitalized, 17 (people) - in intensive care.
http://www.rbc.ua/rus/digests/show/pogi ... ek02112009
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The governemnt table with these numbers is here

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Ukrainian officials want border with Romania closed owing to swine flu


http://www.romaniantimes.at/news/Genera ... swine_flu_

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Kyiv Post. Independence. Community. Trust - Nation - Yushchenko addresses nation, journalists about flu epidemic
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Yushchenko addresses nation, journalists about flu epidemic

Kyiv Post. Independence. Community. Trust - Nation - Health ministry: Sixty-seven people die of flu in Ukraine
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Health ministry: Sixty-seven people die of flu in Ukraine

WHO | Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine
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Pandemic (H1N1) 2009, Ukraine


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Google Translate ... ry_state0=
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The authorities of Kiev denies spraying over the city of flu

Click on "The most persistent rumor" for
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Prosecutor's Office filed a case against officials of the Ministry of Health

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http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?id=D ... _article=1
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The World Health Organization said Monday there was no evidence that Ukraine had a bad outbreak of swine flu but at the government's request it had sent a health team there to help the country cope.

"But this is not an indication that the situation is severe," said WHO spokeswoman Liuba Negru. "The information we have gotten (from the government), we have to double-check it and make sure it is real, evidence-based information."

[Democracyman]

15 thousand are hospitalized

This is from the link above.