[BRIAR]

Originally Posted by bladed

ya, he was a 39 yearold muslim major being deployed overseas after an unfavorable performance report on him. He was also wanting muslims in afghanistan and iraq to rise up against the us military.

does anyone really think a muslim can be trusted in the u.s.a.?
I sure don't!

[Jim]

News said shooter was alive out of critecull caopir and in intenceve cair and exspected to live.

[George]

This is extremely difficult issue in democratic country.

How can democratic country give all citizens equal rights and at the same time have restriction on some?

[Jim]

Yes it is , but were a republic not a Damocrasee.

[TaintRight]

Look, your President is right. Just because Muslims males between 18 and 25 years of age hijacked the four jets on 9/11 and crashed them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, drove a boat full of explosives into the side of USS Cole, blew up two US Embassys in Africa, blew up the buses in London, blew up the train in Madrid, slaughtered dozens in Bombay, plotted to kill US soldiers at a Ft Dix dance, and tried to set off a shoe bomb in a passenger jet over the Atlantic, we "should not rush to judgment." It could all just be an unfortunate coincidence.

I mean really y'all. Would you condemn a fox caught in your hen house just because over the last ten years foxes have repeatedly made off with your chickens? Of course not. It wouldn't be right to prejudge all foxes. So why prejudge this Muslim (who just killed 13 Americans while shouting "Allah Akbar") simply because he is a Muslim?

Four or five dozen bad apples don't spoil the bushel you know.

[Ron Fontaine]

Murderers, terrorists, and extremists come in all races, creeds and belief systems - as do great and wonderful people. This is a fact. Look to your own for confirmation of this statement.

America is a strong and great country precisely because of our great diversity.

Whoever continues to paint any race, religion, nationality, or creed with a wide brush as terrorists or any other "bad" label will be banned from SurvivalTopics.

[Celticwarrior]

Indeed. Most serial killers are young white males under 50. The Oklahoma Bomber and the Unibomber were both white, well educated and seemingly normal people before they sank into whatever madness compelled them to change their lives and lifestyles (and both could have easily been mistaken for someone in OUR own survival community). David Koresh, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin.......the list is endless. There are no specific "types" of mass murderers or terrorists. The world is full of people who hate. Today it is the Muslim extremists who have gotten the spotlight, but let's not forget that the prime suspect in the Anthrax killings just days after 9/11 wasn't an Imam, or some fanatic jihadist. It was a middle-aged white guy working in a government sponsored lab. So was the guy in Florida the day after Ft. Hood who went on a revenge killing spree on former co-workers. The reasons for hate and killing are only the excuses the killers use to rationalize their crimes. In the end, I am willing to bet the dead and dying really don't care much about the "why". Only the rest of us care, because we need to try to make sense of senseless violence.

This Hasan guy might want to hide behind his religion to explain his action, or he may not (he's in a coma and may not come back out of it). From what people have been saying about him, he was a conflicted man, who needed to grow the hell up. The Army had paid for his EXTENSIVE schooling to become a psychiatrist. They had set him up in a cushy job at Walter Reed, far from the battlefield, to help returning vets deal with grief, loss, decompression from their battle fatigue and PTSD. Instead, he wanted to try to justify the actions of the enemy. He wanted to give a balanced view of Islamic beliefs, even the crazy radicalist ones of the Taliban and Al Quida. When this became intolerable to the staff and soldiers, he was repremanded, and began experiencing a lot of negative feedback from his peers (as one might expect). He was sent to Ft. Hood and given a new assignment: field work in the war zone. He was due to ship out soon. He tried using lawyers, and going through channels, and making waves to get that changed. He didn't want to go over to an Islamic country to make war (well, not actually since he wasn't a front-line infantry or armor soldier, he was still just medical staff, but he saw it differently) on his fellow Muslims. He went postal not because he himself was in league with our enemies. Instead, it was for petty, selfish reasons. He didn't think he should be forced (like thousands of OTHER soldiers before him) to go and fight overseas. He decided that he would end his life like the suicide bombers he admired for their convictions and faith: in a "blaze of glory". What he didn't understand, and what I think even those people he so admired would tell him to his face, was that the "martyrs" who strap on explosives and kill themselves and others for their warped version of Islam aren't doing it for themselves in some selfish act of pettiness. They at least can say they are doing it for what they believe (in their own sick, twisted way) is a higher calling. He just did his killing spree because he thought it was more dramatic than putting a .45 to his OWN head and pulling the trigger, to protest his "abuse" by the Army and the system that paid for his schooling, yet wanted service in return. As my son likes to say: Epic Fail.

[COWBOYSURVIVAL]

Hasan is is stable and able to talk according to this...

Imam tied to 9/11 hijackers praises Hasan - Tragedy at Fort Hood- msnbc.com

[Jim]

One of the wonded died so totel is 13 dead actuly 14 it seeams one femail victem was pregnet. I think the falt lies to some degree with political corectines. Don't want to upset the peacfull peoplel of Islom, or any one elce bie calling a shovel a spade.(If it walke like a duck quacks like a duck smalls like looks like a duck it probaly is a duck) If you want to understad them read the Quar'an. No afens ment to anyone.