[lpm67]

Originally Posted by stenmark78

Is homeskewl a option for you?Your gna be lacking the social aspect but if its worth the kids life not to go then thats what I would do.Sorry didnt read back posts if this was talked about alrdy.

I have seriously considered homeschooling as I already provide her education at home....but in all honesty (I hate to admit this) but I like to have the break from my little cherub, she's quite full on, also the school can offer extras that I cant such as teaching her to play an instrument and she can earn credits towards her uni degree at this school.
As for teaching her the basics.... one morning a month about covers the curriculum!

[stenmark78]

Originally Posted by lpm67

I have seriously considered homeschooling as I already provide her education at home....but in all honesty (I hate to admit this) but I like to have the break from my little cherub, she's quite full on, also the school can offer extras that I cant such as teaching her to play an instrument and she can earn credits towards her uni degree at this school.
As for teaching her the basics.... one morning a month about covers the curriculum!

i agree 100% with ya,but if it gets that bad ya could consider it.My little guy is headin into pre skewl next year.I have several good friends that are teachers and they all agree that public schooling is the way to go over home skewling but if my child was in harm and things wernt being addressed in the skewl by the people in charge he wud be ripped out of that skewl like a prom dress on a cheerleader!!LOL

[lpm67]

Originally Posted by stenmark78

he wud be ripped out of that skewl like a prom dress on a cheerleader!!LOL

LOL, hehehehehehehehehe. Love it!

[Jack425]

A good friend of mine was suspended for the same thing about 10 years ago, in high school. He had been tightening a bolt on his desk to keep it from shifting and someone saw him. Out he went, and his mother could not do anything about it.

I would use logic and common sense against the school. I have been in many fights which ended in numerous serious injuries, but I was never expelled due to them being in self defense. I think I'd have been kicked out if it happened today.

Do whatever you can to keep your daughters record clean. Good luck.

[areth]

Originally Posted by Jack425

I would use logic and common sense against the school. I have been in many fights which ended in numerous serious injuries, but I was never expelled due to them being in self defense. I think I'd have been kicked out if it happened today.

It's ridiculous now, if someone hits you you're expected to calmly go to a teacher, even if they are hitting you more than once. People get suspended for self-defense. Supposedly it's to minimize "violentbehavior". IMHO self defense doesn't fall under the category of violent behavior, even if what you are doing is violent.

In my opinion the public school system has become so close to the legal system that they're trying to train us to believe that Big Brother is always right and we should never question him, obeying all his laws no matter how ridiculous. I just realized I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist or something.

[Brother Karamazov]

Full disclosure: I am a teacher.

I just wanted to remind everybody that the majority of teachers are reasonable people and have the education of the children as their first priority.

First point: Out of sight is out of mind.

If your child takes something to school quietly sewn into their packpack, it would be almost impossible to discover. Very rare is the teacher that searches packpacks, clothing, or personal items. Rarer still is the teacher who, would rip open a piece of cloth sewn into a child's backpack or jacket, especially without some serious cause.

There are countless ways to hide small items: False bottoms in lunch boxes, or pencil boxes. Pouches sewn closes to look merely decorative. Pens or markers that have been emptied/hollowed and items closed inside. Coke cans that have been slice open items inserted inside and then resealed. Etc. etc.

Kids hide stuff all the time. With an adult's assistance, their survival kits will be undetectable by anyone other than a very unusual teacher or administrator.

Next point: teach your child that they are not to discuss the survival pack that is sewn into their jacket or backpack. Most problems arise when the children begin playing with or discussing an item during class.

The next thing you know, some kid yells, "Mrs. Smith, Johnny has a knife and matches." When that happens, the teacher is required to take action.

These two simple steps will allow your child to carry a small survival kit to school every day without the least problem.


On the issue of school emergency prep. for a disaster situation:

I can't speak for other schools but, the school I teach at has a small emergency kit in every classroom. We also have a storage unit with a small survival kit (food and water) for every student on campus, extra 55 gal. drums of water, a small generator, small search and rescue kits, a large medical kit, some toiletry options, and various tenting tarps.

The most likely event we would encounter would be an earthquake. So all teachers are assigned to either first aid, search and rescue, or supervising students until family members can come and pick up their children.

All teachers know that they may be required to look after students for more than 24 hours in the event of an emergency.

Several teachers keep an emergency overnight bag in their classrooms, just in case.

Finally, I just wanted to point out that most schools would be open to any reasonable approaches regarding storing emergency items.

Here in California, ALL schools have emergency stores. Some are very serious and could easily feed and hydrate their entire population for three days. Every school I have ever taught at would be more than pleased to accept a large bin of emergency items donated by the PTA or similar group. Occassionally our PTA does exactly that.

So if you have concerns about your child's school, contact a teacher and ask some questions. Contact an administrator and ask how you could help. Perhaps you could volunteer to organize a drive to prepare the school for any emergency likely to strike in your area.

[AnEnglishmanInWestCork]

it's interesting that they jump up and down over a multitool sealed into a survival kit and stashed in her desk when children have free access to plenty of things on a daily basis that they could use to injure or even kill another child.

a steel ruler can hold an edge quite nicely and at 12" long in most cases is going to be a lot bigger than anything you would have had in that kit.

a baseball/cricket/rounder bat or hockey/hurling stick will easily stove in the side of someones head or break arms, legs, ribs etc

a well sharpened pencil can be used to inflict really rather nasty puncture wounds over most of the body without any real effort

not to mention all of the nasties contained within the average science lab....

[lpm67]

You all make very good points....thanks for the support/advice. I will continue to do what I think is best for me and my family and do battle when and where I must. I do understand the fear that teachers and some students live in nowadays but I want to make sure my daughter has what she needs When SHTF, without having to rely on what may or may not be available....I believe this is my responsibility as a parent.

[Punisher]

Originally Posted by Celticwarrior

Yep, ZERO TOLERANCE!! The call of the inept bureaucratic drone. NY just suspended an Eagle scout for a 2 inch knife he kept in a BOB in HIS CAR TRUNK! Another student ratted him out, and now he might not be able to go to West Point with this suspension on his record! Idiots.

When I created my son's EDC to take to school (when I found out they have nothing in the way of supplies for emergencies that require a lockdown!) I had to make certain "allowances" for the Zero Tolerance policies for things like potential weapons and firemaking devices. I made him a paracord necklace, with a real flint arrowhead and two drilled flint bars "decorating" it, along with some wood and antler beads. Looks nice, but the rest is crap. The important thing is that he understands how to take it apart and use the cordage to wrap the arrowhead to something rigid and hand sized as a weapon. The flint bars will allow the "fish scaler" on his mini-multitool plier unit, that was made for fishing kits, to strike sparks from them to make fire. Matches and lighters, and yes even Mag bars and Firesteels, are banned from school property. Flint and steel can't be regulated like that though. Hehehe. The tool has a file (no sharp point), the plier tip, a bottle opener, & the fish scaler (looks like a dull saw) but no blade or screwdriver/awl tips. It meets his school's criteria. Schools are run by people who want to get to retirement without being fired or sued.

I have also shown him how to lash things like geometric compass points or to break apart a pair of school scissors and attach them to a ruler or yardstick as a weapon, and how to use a variety of things like the cotton tips from Q-tips and cotton square pads from the FAK, along with squeezable lip balm (petroleum jelly) or alcohol from FAK pads or hand sanitizer, along with kleenex or TP to create a decent firestarting kit. Eventually, if there is a prolonged quarantine or lockdown where parents can't get their kids and the kids have to rely on what is available until they are "rescued" and allowed to go home, I want to make sure he has the tools and training to take care of himself. I included food, water purifier tabs, light, space bag, poncho, and other things that the school didn't object to. They were very weird about it though, and asked a whole lot of questions in an incredulous manner that was almost accusatory, like "You think WE can't take care of your son in an emergency?" My answer to that, of course, is NO, I don't think you could find your collective asses with a searchlamp and both hands if a disaster actually happened. I trust my son. I taught him what to do and how to do it. He will be able to help himself, and his classmates, if anything happens. He has first aid and scout training to fall back on, and the Red Cross manual and a set of "survival tip" laminated cards in his EDC to help him out with some of the finer points he might not remember.

You keep fighting this, LPM. This kind of mindless idiocy has to be stopped and common sense used in cases where we aren't talking about someone bringing in a dangerous object and threatening or brandishing it like a weapon. What's next? Can't bring ziplock bags because you could smother someone with it???

Now thats a good way to get around the system. Plus those are a nice set a skills to learn and have. Those emergency kits for kids are best kept in their backpacks.

[snakeyes]

when i went to school we carried any thing we wanted. its a bunch of BS , anyway, keep up the fight, dont let them get you down,