[ColcordMama]

Originally Posted by Celticwarrior

Walmart, Black Friday (Day after Thanksgiving). The guy was part of the cleaning crew, and wasn't even a greeter or sales associate. They just figured he was big, so he could open the doors that all those people outside were pushing against. He was trampled to death, and when the cops came and tried to empty the store as a crime scene, people got violent and beligerant saying "That's not MY fault he's dead! Why should I have to leave and not get these sales because some guy DIED!" Self-centered pieces of crap! That's the kind of folks you'd be facing out there, people. Not just the armed bikers with an attitude, not just the killer gangbangers, and not just the lowlife criminals out there stealing TVs or stereos in the middle of a disaster. No no no. You would be in the middle of a mob that literally didn't care whether you lived or died, as long as they were getting what they wanted. If they had to stomp you to death, and drag your children along on their bumper down the street, then that's just the way it is, as long as THEY GOT THEIRS! Crazy.

And THAT, dearies, is why we're all red hot preppers, isn't it? BE PREPARED and you won't be in that cattle stampede trying to fight sixteen other grabbing hands for three cans of stewed tomatoes. You'll be home bolting those pre-measured and pre-cut rectangles of plywood over your windows and filling your water containers.

[Celticwarrior]

Originally Posted by ColcordMama

And THAT, dearies, is why we're all red hot preppers, isn't it? BE PREPARED and you won't be in that cattle stampede trying to fight sixteen other grabbing hands for three cans of stewed tomatoes. You'll be home bolting those pre-measured and pre-cut rectangles of plywood over your windows and filling your water containers.

Heck yeah. I gotta tell ya, it isn't the "post OJ trial riots" or the post-Katrina looting that worries me. Yeah, that kind of thing is stupid and shows people at their worst, but that isn't what REALLY bothers me. It's the Walmart example above, where it's a SALE for the HOLIDAYS. No crisis, no emergency, no threat to life and family, just a bunch of greedy people who don't give a damn about other people's safety. It's the crushing deaths at rock concerts, and it's the rioting after a WIN (not a loss, a WIN) by a local sports team where stores are burned, police and ambulance vehicles are overturned and torched, and thousands of people run wild and have to be Maced or Hosed into compliance with the law again. THOSE are the things that bother me, because if that's what you get on a GOOD day, imagine what it would be like if everyone knew the S#!% was about to hit the Fan and they were completely screwed? Can you REALLY picture it? Not the Watts or Detroit riots of the 60's, limited to a few city blocks, but all-out, balls to the wall RIOTING? Millions of people, in every major city that would be affected by the crisis going insane and taking to the streets, trying to get a LITTLE of what they think they might need, since they probably have next to NOTHING already? It is almost mind-numbing to imagine.

[hunter480]

Originally Posted by warvet

I think if SHTF and you had to be a looter for any reason then you werent properly prepared and you then deserve to be caught and treated like a criminal. Won't help your family much if your under Military lockup for stealing some basic agricultural seeds. To me stealing is stealing. Barter it , buy it, make it but dont steal it.People may say ya but Im starving well then you should have prepared better. Go get some 1.00 snare wire and get yourself some chow. Woods are full of food not a need to steal it.

Tim

I`m not enabling looters in the least, but....never mind that not many people are in close proximity to a wood lot, but even for those who are, there isn`t enough game in this country to feed her people for any extended length of time.

If/when, a serious SHTF scenario occurs, it`s gonna be a bad, bad deal. You better be as prepared as you possibly can be.

[areth]

Originally Posted by Celticwarrior

If you are talking all out anarchy and chaos surrounding a complete collapse, due to some really BAD SHTF scenario, I would think department and sporting good stores will be hit hard. Pawn shops, gun stores, jewelry stores and banks will be targets. Convenience stores, liquor and tobacco stores, electronics and bigbox stores (like Best Buy, the Office stores, or Fry's), and mall stores would be on the hit list too. Grocery stores are usually empty before an emergency has gone on too long, so usually there isn't much left to loot.

If you're not talking about the collapse of government then you fail.


All-out city riots. Millions of people. In my small town there will be thousands rampaging through town looting... think of it this way... the second I hear about it, I'm going to my family and saying "You're coming with me or I'm leaving you here.". Go live in the woods for a while and travel as far away as possible. Another country? Maybe, our state borders Canada, although we're a good hundred miles away at least. I think I'd try traveling on foot through forests so no one would find us. Of course, I might get to a friends house first (one of my friends lives about 2 miles away, quick walk), we could get his family to come... with all their guns (at least a dozen assorted rifles, shotguns, and handguns, as well as tons of ammo. They REALLY love hunting.). So, assuming this is a one-country event, we head to Canada. If not, we head to the nearest internet, where I'll try and contact one of you guys and see if anyone is holding meetings for groups. If there is, I'll hijack/hotwire (can't be easily done with newer models, unfortunately)/steal/"borrow" a car or two and head that way. If not... well, I'll get a car and head for the mountains in NH where there's plenty of game, room to grow things and lots of shelter.

Of course... the stealing cars thing comes from the fact that something you're describing involves mass riots and everything.

[Roadracer]

Originally Posted by ColcordMama

And THAT, dearies, is why we're all red hot preppers, isn't it? BE PREPARED and you won't be in that cattle stampede trying to fight sixteen other grabbing hands for three cans of stewed tomatoes. You'll be home bolting those pre-measured and pre-cut rectangles of plywood over your windows and filling your water containers.

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I get very upset when "Preppers" are refered to as "Horders".

"Preppers" are those who have over a period of time slowly accumulate goods causing little if any stain on the supply system.

"Horders" are the ones scrambling to clean off every shelf in the store in an emergency.

What we do removes the amount of people doing that & we also take a larger strain off of the re-supply system after a crisis so it can restabilize sooner. It also enables Mommie with 4 kids a little better chance to get the things she needs when Poop hits the Fan.

[Ronnie]

Originally Posted by dukman

If a store is being looted, I would stay the hell away from it. I don't want to be misidentified as one of the looters.

A big part of being a prepper, is NOT needing anything at that last minute when SHTF, and if needed, being able to get the hell out of dodge before the riots begin. I know that I will be avoiding ALL stores.

I cant agree more.

[LaRemnant]

Originally Posted by areth

Of course, I might get to a friends house first (one of my friends lives about 2 miles away, quick walk), we could get his family to come... with all their guns (at least a dozen assorted rifles, shotguns, and handguns, as well as tons of ammo. They REALLY love hunting.).

Have you thought of constructing a rugged cart, perhaps specially sprayed with a rubberized coating and throw some big rubber tires on it? Perhaps some small, thick riding lawnmower tires? The whole thing perhaps custom made? I would imagine it would be one HECK of a useful tool, transporting gear through the bush...

What'yoll'tink?

[AlteredMentalStatus]

This is what the Dallas Newspaper had to say about change in Texas looting law:
Reacting to the property looting in the wake of Hurricane Ike, lawmakers also raised the penalties for theft, burglary and assault if committed during an emergency evacuation order or state of disaster. The punishment will be increased to the next highest category of offense depending on the type of crime.

"The goal is to deter looting and other related crimes so that people may focus on saving their families and homes rather than protecting themselves from criminal elements," said state Sen. Dan Patrick, R-Houston, author of the measure.

[highwayrider02]

If I were to loot a store, any store at all, I would wait to work under the cover of darkness to go anywhere. Think about it: mass hysteria in the day time. people are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, trampling each other for a loaf of bread or a couple of batteries. Prepared or not, it's not worth the risk of being killed over something, unless your immediate situation is life-or-death in its own nature. Wait til night to go looting. Most of you are thinking, "well by that time there won't be anything left." You're probably right, not much meat to pick off the bones, per se, but it does make it a lot safer. Most of the people will be gone by then. And besides, anything you can't procure from looting you can do so by persuading people with your firearms to make contributions to your needs. I personally don't condone armed robbery, and I hate to sound cold and callous, but in that situation it's a dog-eat-dog world. People wouldn't think twice about robbing you of your things, or even killing you in the process.

[cowgirlup]

Originally Posted by highwayrider02

I And besides, anything you can't procure from looting you can do so by persuading people with your firearms to make contributions to your needs. I personally don't condone armed robbery, and I hate to sound cold and callous, but in that situation it's a dog-eat-dog world. People wouldn't think twice about robbing you of your things, or even killing you in the process.

If you are well preparred then you won't have to resort to becoming the sort of low life scum that preys on others.
IMHO